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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/25/2008 2:30:07 PM
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KatMack
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I heard it back in the early 90s when I was a preteen. I had disregarded it because I heard it hand in hand with the Proctor and Gamble and Liz Clairborne are Satanic, everything is evil, they're all out to get you and turn you into a pagan hogswallop that was so prevalent then.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/25/2008 2:38:09 PM
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Child4Jesus
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If we follow this logic to it's end we have to examine the symbol for the food we buy, clothes we wear, products we use on our body, cars we drive, computers we use, etc.
That milk carton that has a cow on it comes from Indian. Some Indians revere the cow. This milk represents that so, I can't drink that milk. See how silly this can get. I'm a cop in NYPD. I'm sure someone can find a way to make the NYPD patch represent something pagan and then say Christians shouldn't wear that symbol.
Please STOP trying to find some sinister motive or some evil pagan thing behind everything.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/25/2008 2:40:38 PM
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I heard it back in the early 90s when I was a preteen. I had disregarded it because I heard it hand in hand with the Proctor and Gamble and Liz Clairborne are Satanic, everything is evil, they're all out to get you and turn you into a pagan hogswallop that was so prevalent then.
--Kat
Ditto. That was back when the peace sign was coming back again as well, I believe.
If you get down to it just about everything can be construed back to paganism so we could sequestor ourselves into covens to avoid such issues. *shrug*
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/25/2008 2:40:51 PM
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Child4Jesus
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ORIGINAL: KatMack
I heard it back in the early 90s when I was a preteen. I had disregarded it because I heard it hand in hand with the Proctor and Gamble and Liz Clairborne are Satanic, everything is evil, they're all out to get you and turn you into a pagan hogswallop that was so prevalent then.
--Kat
Well you need to see a thread in the End Times folder. Capitalism and the stock market is evil and satanic.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/25/2008 5:02:47 PM
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MrFribbles
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Here's one. If you just google Nero's Cross...nah, that'd be too easy.
I find it a bit troublesome that the article opens with "Conspiracy theorists believe..." That raises too many suspicions for me to take it seriously.
I once found a website that was trying to convince me Paisley patterns were from the devil. I think this is in the same vein. Obviously, some disagree, and that's fine. But unless the peace symbol is truly causing you to sin, I don't think it's worth causing a to-do over.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/25/2008 6:02:51 PM
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DougHorton
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Does the origin of a symbol matter? It is what is symbolized that counts. Every letter of the alphabet symbolized something at one time. Does anybody care what they originally meant?
We obviously don't care what the symbol of the cross originally meant. It was the symbol of torturous execution. Nowhere in the first 300 years of Christian art was it allowed to be depicted. Now, we've made it a decoration and piece of jewelry.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/26/2008 9:40:06 AM
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I think it's making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm more concerned about what our leaders believe and the things they stand for than what they wear. For example, you are concerned about Darlene Z. wearing a peace symbol, but you've posted several times that you don't consider a pro-abortion viewpoint to be a deal breaker when choosing a presidential candidate. I'm much more concerned about the beliefs of those in leadership than I am about their tastes in jewelry.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/26/2008 10:19:04 AM
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Consecrated2God
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Just giving my opinion. I don't think it's a big deal. I think there's a lot more important things out there to worry about--you know, straining a gnat and swallowing a camel.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/26/2008 10:53:37 AM
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stampinlady
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Hmm, I don't see how my politcal views fit into this thread, but ....
Anyway, I guess I'm just wondering if what we see in public from those who are in leadership position effects our walk in anyway.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/26/2008 11:04:12 AM
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cow451
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Good point Doug 
For me, a child of the 70's, the Peace symbol was always looked at as antichristian, that's all. So I was surprised that she wore one.
As for my comment on stumbling, I think those in leadership need to be careful in what they say, wear and how they present themselves.
Yeah, the whole thing about peace symbols, etc. being "satanic" was just part of the political climate. conservative Christians were part of the "establishment" and the peace sign was anti-establishment. That was also a blossoming period for the rock music is satanic, long hair is satanic, blah, blah, blah. Whatever is popular among young people will always be seen as "satanic" by fundamentalists (now it's the reformed, dope-heads in the church saying the same thing their parents said, LOL).  . Peace, bro.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/26/2008 7:59:20 PM
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In a public performance, everything matters. However, one need not be offended. After all one need not attend. If one has a personal encounter with someone who does something that appears offensive, one could inquire regarding the meaning. Then, if the action presents a treat to oneself or ones family, one can take appropriate actions to protect onesself and ones family. Given the pervasiveness of comprimise with the present culture, I do not find a peace symble to be a credible threat. However, I do take note of those who wear it.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/27/2008 10:19:58 AM
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stampinlady
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I do take note of those who wear it.
Good, and bad, I notice alot too .
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/27/2008 10:28:10 AM
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GregandJenny
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However, I do take note of those who wear it.
What does this symbol mean or stand for in Aussie land where she is from and i believe resides.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/27/2008 11:08:04 AM
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stampinlady
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Someone asked that earlier and I never looked it up. I'm also curious as what denomination she links up with. I'll do a lttle digging later.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/27/2008 11:45:38 AM
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GregandJenny
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lol Deb it was me that asked it earlier. My wife always says I keep asking the same question. I told her yup, I will
ask until I get the answer.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/28/2008 2:56:55 AM
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Well, I have heard about the 'broken cross" Kat_D mentioned, in the context in which she mentioned it, for most of the 45 years of my being a believer. Whatdayado.
But at the same time, i think we should be very patient with others. Maybe this Darlene person has not heard what we have heard, did not live in the time we lived, hasn't been around believers as long as we have.
There are a lot of commonly-accepted doodads that a lot of believers use, wear, and put on their ads that, if they knew their origins, they would think further about using them and stop it. Perhaps there are people out there that know something I don't know about what I use/wear also.
I think that when it comes to this kind of thing, we should not get shook about what others do. i have enough trouble keeping myself on the straight and narrow without worrying too much about what others do.
However, when people blatantly do things that the Bible says not to do, like immodesty, adultery, theft, murder, we should speak up, be firm, and stand our grand.
And that includes people who sing off-key.
Oh, that's not in the Bible as sinful?
Oh.
Okay.
Maybe we missed that passage or something.
I discovered today that my Bible says to offer "grits" on the sacrificial altar, so maybe . . . perhaps . . . .
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/29/2008 4:04:40 PM
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It is a common theory among Christians in general that the peace symbol is anti-Christian or of at least questionable origin.
I have been a Christan for 13 years and I have never heard that. Also how is the peace symbol in Australia, where DZ is from.
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I guess I'm old, but I definitely remember hearing that the peace sign was really a sign of a broken cross back in the late sixities/early seventies. I'm not saying whether it's true or not, just that it was talked about in Christian circles 40-odd years ago.
And the peace symbol was a world-wide phenomenon,it was not just a US thing, that's how it's in Australia.
I'm inclined to think that most people who wear one today do so because of retro fashion, and are probably too young to remember the controversy "back in the day".
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/30/2008 2:49:09 PM
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If I wear a peace sign...it means just that...Peace
Back in my day, there were people screaming it was a crow's foot and associated it with the Omen movies...or that it was an upside down cross...or whatever other conspiracy idea they could think of...to include Nero's cross and Satanic ritual. Course this is the same crowd who swears that when playing some rock music backward you're hearing part of some cultic ritual.
It's just a "peace" symbol and it's been a part of fashion, etc. since the 60's.
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 9/30/2008 4:03:00 PM
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doinkdom
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Oh, yeah I had forgotten about backward-masking. 
yawriats ot nevaeH . Or was it nevaeH ot yawriatS?
 man, parents were all serious about that stuff for quite some time.
My mom and I tried to play some of my more "metalish" albums backwards, but all we got was gibberish and scratched albums. 
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RE: She wore what? Opinions on those in leadership posi... - 10/4/2008 9:24:25 PM
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Anyway, I guess I'm just wondering if what we see in public from those who are in leadership position effects our walk in anyway.
Our goal as mature believers is to NOT take offense, to NOT be stumbled. So I would encourage that we get over all the offense taking and learn to love one another.
I know that you are really wanting to know, stampinlady, and this is what I believe the Lord wants from us---to not take offense. I think many come from backgrounds where offense taking was actually taught. And I think in our society today we are beginning to teach offense taking again. This shouldn't be---among Christians.
Great peace have they which love Thy law and NOTHING shall offend them. Psalm 119:165
Edited to correct my verse (wrong #)
< Message edited by Liveloved -- 10/6/2008 4:45:46 PM >
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