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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 1:01:44 PM
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momma_bee
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Roll Call
I spelled Roll Call wrong, didn't I?
Oh, well.
Like I said in that thread, I've been thinking about my kids matching Garsy's and I've been trying to remember which other students match up with mine.
It is neat to say that my kids bookend so-n-so's or they dove-tail age wise but match in grades.
So, lets see if this works out the way I think I should.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 3:53:18 PM
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Hey you guys, I need some advice. I got this e:mail from one of my exchange son's teachers. I thought it was very sarcastic in tone and while if what he is saying is true, my child is going to be very grounded, I don't think it was an appropriate way to communicate the problem to me. I guess it only bothers me because this school is treating him so differently and kind of leaving him on his own from what I can see. I don't expect the school to moniter his every move, but I spoke with another teacher today who was surprised to know that I expected my boy to be active in class, working with others, asking questions and answering them. He actually said to me "so you want me to keep him involved in class?" Umm, this is an acedemic program. As for the e:mail I got, I am going to take out some names and post it below because I want to know if I am just being a bit emotional. Can you let me know how you would respond to this? I already know how I am going to take care of my child, but I do need to respond to the teacher because he brings up late homework and we don't know what is late because we have him do his homework and show us every night. And the teacher doesn't even collect homework. I am not sure how this works but it seems as if it is a secret because whenever I ask the questions, I never get the answers. Anyway, here is the e:mail.
Tracy
I had a nice talk with S after class today (2nd time now) regarding the proper time to show me late homework. Everyone knows that I check homework at the beginning of class. Several times now over the past couple of days, S has got up in the middle of class and walked up to me to show me his "late" homework - while I am teaching. I think he is doing this because he thinks it is funny. I told him again today that this is inappropriate and explained again when he can show me any late homework - at the end of class only if we have time, or after school. I asked him if he understood and he said yes.
This is very inappropriate behavior that he needs to stop doing. I am more than happy to look at his late homework after school like everyone else or even at the end of class if we have time. I would appreciate if you would go over this simple procedure with him.
Thanks
Mr.
Ok, so then I talked to S and he said that he had a quiz today and simply walked up to the teacher to ask a question because he didn't understand the way it was worded. He said that all the teacher would do was to read the question back to him, (like that is going to make him understand better?) Then he said that the teacher was not teaching when we went up to him, but talking to some students who were already done with the test. He used the word chatting with them. So not only did the teacher refuse to put the question into a couple of different words, but now I get the snotty letter that says he is getting up while the teacher is talking? I was going to ground him but I had a hard time believing that he was trying to be funny about it and now I think that after listening to S, that I need to take this up with someone above this teacher who makes it obvious that he doesn't like my kid.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 5:37:57 PM
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More later but did want to comment on the email Tracy received.
Tracy I didn't read it that he had a sarcastic tone. If S is doing his homework at night, and you see it, then it sounds like S is waiting to the middle of the class to show it, for whatever reason. I took the word late in "" to mean that it might not really be late, but S is just getting round to showing to him in the middle of class.
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he said that he had a quiz today and simply walked up to the teacher to ask a question because he didn't understand the way it was worded.
This would be disruptive. If S has a question isn't protocol to raise your hand instead of getting up?
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 5:55:02 PM
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No, they are allowed to go to the teacher and ask questions, but the teacher was chatting with students who were already done with the test. And if it was a question of him raising his hand, then I think the teacher should have said that. He didn't even mention the test. Just that S. is walking up in the middle of class "to be funny" I am sorry, but that is not S.
He is a teenager and immature at times, but he also knows that he can't do that. And when the teacher had sent me an e:mail earlier telling me he checked S book and he didn't have his homework, I had to tell him to look again because I knew it was there since I was the one who checked it. So this is the second time he is telling me something that is starting to sound a bit out of line with S.
When I talked with him, he was visibly upset and said that was untrue. While I am not sure what to think of the teacher, I do think that at the very most, there is a bit of a communication breakdown there. I mean I have been getting e:mail from this teacher almost daily telling me that he doesn't think S understands him when he speaks, but now, S is supposed to understand the things he didn't understand before, and the teacher wouldn't tell us what the problem was so that we could talk to him about it, and he can now read S well enough to know that he is doing that just to be funny. It doesn't make sense to me.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 6:31:26 PM
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You could have him include the apology, but maybe when you return the signed test you could just include the page he wrote of the BIble verses.
An apology would not be inappropriate either.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 6:52:51 PM
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Poppa told me not to make the Bible punishment when I wanted to use that approach.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 7:08:12 PM
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I'm thinking it's not using it as a punishment, more of a let's remind ourselves what God says about this.
I do that with Nathan quite a bit Donna. It makes a HUGE impression on him to see that the Bible addresses everyday behavior and is not just a "history book". He has Ephesians 2:10 taped to his wall, all I have to do when he's really acting out of line is tell him to go read "his" verse and think about what it means and how his behavior is lining up with it.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 9:54:48 PM
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momma_bee
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Donna, when BigBee was in 5th I got a call from his teacher one night because he was showboating in class. The boys were being boyish and she said that he was egging them on. He said he was trying to dial them back. They both described the same hand gesture. The up-n-down wave that I use to say settle. Think down-down like you are patting a dog. She read it differently.
What did it in for him was she described him acting up for a month, getting louder and goofing off more. So he wrote a note, apologizing and committing to changing and what he would change. And, as an added bonus, since this was during a test review, he was grounded one day for each question he missed (after all, he didn't need the review) We emphasis that "I'm sorry" means "I really wish I hadn't done it and I'm going to try not to let it happen again." If you can't commit to the last half, you don't mean it.
What did it in for the teacher was the fact that it took her a month to call me and was asking me what to do about it. Ummm, call me a month ago????
It changed immediately.
Funny - she was doing laundry with us last night - that was the English teacher that BigBee was talking to when he said that his Spanish was better...
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/7/2008 11:33:39 PM
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How is his English, Tracy? How much do you think he is understanding about schedules and normal procedures in the school?
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Donna,
His English is not where it should be, but we all take blame for that. He is unwilling to step out of China and live in America in his head, we thought that if we let him spend half an hour a day e:mailing his friends, that would be enough for him to get focused back on America, homework, and life in our family, and the school seems to be just kind of letting him do what he wants. Like in his marketing class, he is in there for an hour and a half, and while all the other kids are working on worksheets, and having some class discussion, he was told to bring the sheets home so that we could work with him, and after talking with that teacher today, he hasn't been included in class discussions and has basically just been sitting in that class for half an hour.
His physics teacher says he is willing to help him, but when he tells the teacher he didn't understand everything the teacher said, he tells us the teacher simply repeats himself using the same words thinking that the more he hears those words that he just said he didn't understand, that something will click.
His government class should have been a second semester class because it is a chapter a week and each chapter has at least 25 vocabulary words and some of them, I never even heard of and government and history are my favorite things. I take a special interest in them.
The only class that I think he is doing well in is his AP Calculus class. THAT teacher answers his questions, and makes him participate and expects him to excel. And in that class he is.
In his marketing class, he had like 20 missing assignments, and failed each and every quiz he took, but yet the teacher still has his grade at a B. I think there is something wrong there because he should be failing. I told the teacher that the more they hold him up in that way, the less he is going to work. I mean what 17 year old wouldn't take advantage of THAT?
I am at my witts end here because I don't know what to do. I think that from the beginning with all the problems we had, things just kept going downhill. I fell bad for him because I think that they could have arranged his schedule to have an English class first semester and government second semester because of the time it takes ANY exchange student to acclimate. Government is like a foreign language to him because not only does he not know any of the terms and has to learn all of them, but he has to learn our government structure which is totally different from his.
I think given the circumstances, his English is pretty good because he does understand people talking to him if they slow down a bit. He and I carry on conversations all of the time and we have no problems. But I took the time to get to know him and while in the beginning, he was limited, now, if you tell him something and just give a few seconds for it to soak in, he is right there with you. Ok, I talked too much so I am going to be done for now.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 8:37:19 AM
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Would you believe this...
Hubby sends me an email from work. BigBee called him and he forgot his poster that is due today, would Poppa get it and bring it into the school. Poppa was telling me he was leaving.
15 minutes later, I get an email from Poppa's co-worker. DeeDee called, she forgot her homework and no one knew how to reach Poppa.
I got ahold of him and all is good.
I had to talk to DeeDee and she was upset and worried because ALL of the homework is in the binder and the binder was on the table.
I'm sure it will be my fault. Funny - the kids know to call Dad because Mom will say no and if you get a D you're grounded. So sorry Charlie. Dad will say Yes, so they call him.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 8:53:36 AM
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Just checked in at the roll call. Thanks for starting that, Mbee.
Donna, Han did something similar when he was in 2nd or 3rd grade. I don't remember which subject, but he had pulled out a book to look at during the test. We talked about how God wants us to be honest and do our best. We explained that we would rather see him get a low grade for doing his best work than to get a good grade by cheating. We also talked about how the job of a test is to see how much we know, and if we don't follow the rules of the test it doesn't work right. He didn't really have a concept of cheating at the time, because he had never dealt with it before. Once we linked it with dishonesty, he understood that it was wrong and it hasn't happened again.
Tracy, I wish I knew what to tell you. Are there other families with exhange students at the school? It might help to see how they and their students are handling the classes. I agree with Kath, the email doesn't sound sarcastic. But it seems like the school needs to be more consistent and accountable- he is getting by doing nothing in some classes, while being expected to follow the rules in others. That alone can cause confusion for him.
My boys are off the next two days for Jewish holidays. Of course, since my daughter is at a Baptist preschool she is not off BUT she is off on Monday for Columbus Day. Oy.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 9:57:56 AM
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UPDATE
DaHubby delivered daHomework. He is DaMan!
And walked into a fire drill. Everyone was outside and the secretary told him he was just run over by the imaginary fire truck (they were standing in the fire lane)
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 10:54:38 AM
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Father God, I pray for Dee as she goes through her recovery from surgery. I pray that You'll give her and her doctors wisdom. I pray that You'll give Dee a healing and comfort that is not only physical, but Spiritual as well.
I pray for the families and children with special needs. I pray that Your comfort will be felt by these families.
I thank You Lord that Garsy's husband Brian was not laid off. I pray for your guidance for those who are facing financial struggles.
Father, so many are struggling to find good, Christian fellowship. I thank You for places like Faith Community Network and the volunteers and paid staff members who make this a safe place to fellowship.
In Jesus Name, Amen.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 4:16:05 PM
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Father God, I pray for Dee as she goes through her recovery from surgery. I pray that You'll give her and her doctors wisdom. I pray that You'll give Dee a healing and comfort that is not only physical, but Spiritual as well.
I pray for the families and children with special needs. I pray that Your comfort will be felt by these families.
I thank You Lord that Garsy's husband Brian was not laid off. I pray for your guidance for those who are facing financial struggles.
Father, so many are struggling to find good, Christian fellowship. I thank You for places like Faith Community Network and the volunteers and paid staff members who make this a safe place to fellowship.
In Jesus Name, Amen.
Thank you for posting the prayer.
Kim Q
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 4:34:29 PM
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Hi all,
I don't know if I posted this in here or on the parenting forum but one of my twins is having trouble in school. They both have special needs and are in a special classroom. She just won't talk in class or read out loud. It started last year and she was just starting to get over it a bit and we had to change teachers. It's starting to affect her school work, so we went to a psychologist, DH and I, to talk about the issue. This lady is really good, she has a grandson who is on the autism spectrum so she understands a lot about the family point of view. She believes that it is an anxiety issue, as do we, and that there are things their teacher can be doing better. I really don't like this teacher so I'm going to have DH talk to her, and maybe come with me to the IEP meeting. She will also start seeing Alyssa on a weekly basis to start and then twice a month to see how she can help. So I am glad we got some help, it is going to complicate life a little but it is needed.
I posted about dd #1 and the cost of her activities, DH spoke to the school and they are offering a half scholarships for the trip and will work with us on the uniform cost. They may even have an extra uniform for J.
So, I'm feeling a little overwhelmed but not alone it in.
My love to you all,
Kim Q
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 5:37:24 PM
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It's starting to affect her school work, so we went to a psychologist, DH and I, to talk about the issue.
We took David to one too, when he was small, so we could learn how to best help him.
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I posted about dd #1 and the cost of her activities, DH spoke to the school and they are offering a half scholarships for the trip and will work with us on the uniform cost. They may even have an extra uniform for J.
Wonderful!
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No, they like to go to Subway by the interstate for cheap coffee and a cookie.
Nicole, You should offer them a special at your place. Coffee and a cookie for X amount during "farmer happy hours 3-4." or something to pull them in.  Do you have homemade pies or something like that? Those are sure tastier than a cookie!
I thought about suggesting that too!
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DD got home Friday night from her Washington, DC trip. She talked up a storm until 1:30 am, she had a great time and kept thanking me for spending the money to let her go.
That's great! Linz wants to do it her junior year too. I'd like to let her go.
Mbee, we've had church issues too. He doesn't like one place, then the other, and he doesn't even go. I went to one church for a while and Larry didn't want me to go there at all, and he had no intention of going to church anyway.
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Kath, did you find help for Mike?
Hi Deb! The school counselor called and says she has been calling around. One place he might be interested in does have dorms, is a community college and his cousin already goes there so she can introduce him around. Sounds like a win-win, if he buckles down and will do homework on his own.
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Dana noticed a sign on a local mexican restaurant that said kids under 10 eat free on Tuesday nights. She said we need to go there soon, because after December she will be 10 and can't eat free anymore. *gulp* Double digits. My baby's growing up on me.
That happens too fast, doesn't it, Dana's mom?
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I remember announcing that I was expecting DeeDee and someone asking if 'the baby's father' was excited. Umm, yes, my HUSBAND is. Wow. 
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Nebraska has a new Safe Haven law and it covers kids to age 18. I guess someone already came into the state and dropped off their five kids. But you better hurry before they get too many kids and have to change the law.
Actually, he dropped off his NINE kids. The only one he didn't drop off was his 18yrold step daughter. I guess he figured she was close to legal age, which is 19 in NE. It's just outrageous. You would not believe how many teens, mostly boys, have been dropped off in the last few months. They just can't deal with them anymore so they kick them to the side.
But you know, those 9 kids are probably going to be better off. The man's GF said there was feces all over the floor, roaches, and the kids had lice all the time. She kept trying to clean them up but it was just too much for her. Why she didn't call CPS I don't know.
Garsy, that has to be so hard, not knowing what will happen with Brian's job. 
Dee, I sent you a PM. I hope you have recovered from the biopsy and the results are ok.
Debilyn, thanks for the update on what's going on with you. :)
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 6:16:02 PM
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Kath - We are going to be fine. 38 people took either early retirement or voluntary layoff! Just fine for us until about April or May, IF the economy doesn't continue to tank, making the need for circuit boards plummet. Okay- I'm praying now! Gotta stay positive! For right now we are going to be okay!
Blessings,
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 7:25:17 PM
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MrsTracy72
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Tracy, he has no mentor at the school? If they have foreign exchange students on a regular basis, they really should be better at dealing with them AND their host families. Grrrr.... 
Nope, no mentor or anything, in fact, on the first day of school, he didn't have a schedule or a locker and they didn't give him a student to walk him through the school, and when I asked if a staff member could just get him to his first class since he didn't have a schedule or anything, I was told that during the first days of school they were busy but they had people all over the hallways with yellow shirts on to help students. He was supposed to start in the auditorium and got lost and missed half his meeting. Then he had to get to homeroom where his schedule was waiting for him and his homeroom teacher told me that he would find someone to help him out as best he could. He did find someone for the morning that day.
As for the other families in the city, we have one that I know personally because we went through the same exchange organization and while her student is from Germany and doesn't have the same challanges as the Asian students, she is having problems with the school. The principal made it very clear that he doesn't like the specific organization that we used and our students are treated much differently than students who come through AFS.
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RE: October Chit-chat -PPS chat thread - 10/8/2008 11:17:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva
Father God, I pray for Dee as she goes through her recovery from surgery. I pray that You'll give her and her doctors wisdom. I pray that You'll give Dee a healing and comfort that is not only physical, but Spiritual as well.
I pray for the families and children with special needs. I pray that Your comfort will be felt by these families.
I thank You Lord that Garsy's husband Brian was not laid off. I pray for your guidance for those who are facing financial struggles.
Father, so many are struggling to find good, Christian fellowship. I thank You for places like Faith Community Network and the volunteers and paid staff members who make this a safe place to fellowship.
In Jesus Name, Amen.
Thank you for posting the prayer.
Kim Q
Yes, thank you Roberta.
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