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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 3:12:13 PM
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OneOfHisJewels
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Who says they're Christians?
I don't know if they said they were christians, but they said when they found out they were pregnant with 6, they notified their church right away, so that their church could pray for them.
J-n-J's mom, your link doesn't work.
HERE is the link.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 3:27:53 PM
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Who says they're Christians?
I don't know if they said they were christians, but they said when they found out they were pregnant with 6, they notified their church right away, so that their church could pray for them.
J-n-J's mom, your link doesn't work.
That could mean anything.
Good example of Christian living or not ... the only example that is 100% foolproof is the bible.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 3:32:45 PM
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That could mean anything.
True dat!!!
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Good example of Christian living or not ... the only example that is 100% foolproof is the bible.
Even in the Bible, there are numerous examples of people who did not live and do as they should have, which shows why we need God's grace. You are right, though, in that the Bible is the only truly correct guide for how we are to live..but even the Bible makes it clear that we can only do it through Christ, and that even after salvation, we will all stumble from time to time.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 4:14:02 PM
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Who says they're Christians?
They have spoken very openly about their faith - on T.V., in their talks, and in interviews. Jon wears shirts w/ Bible references on them on the show. A lot is made of this on certain sites where people do not understand how they can live the life they do while calling themselves Christians.
Most of their volunteers came from the church they attended at they time - a Bible church in PA.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 4:18:36 PM
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Who says they're Christians?
They have spoken very openly about their faith - on T.V., in their talks, and in interviews. Jon wears shirts w/ Bible references on them on the show. A lot is made of this on certain sites where people do not understand how they can live the life they do while calling themselves Christians.
Most of their volunteers came from the church they attended at they time - a Bible church in PA.
I admit I've only watched a handful of episodes, but if they're so open about it, I would think I would've heard/seen something. I've not seen anything on the show to indicate any sort of faith.
But I will watch for that next time I happen to turn it on.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 4:49:39 PM
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They are professing Christians. I have heard it mentioned several times on the show, and they are very specific about their faith on their official web site.
Regarding the "family troubles" - yes, I think it is gossip. These are real people. What is going on appears to be a family disagreement that has resulted in hurt feelings, with some personality conflicts on both sides adding fuel to the fire. Jon and Kate are not commenting on it (at least, as far as I know) but those whose feelings have been hurt (and I'm not intending to minimize their hurt feelings) ARE commenting on it via the internet and these blogs. And basically a lot of other people, many who don't know those involved personally, have jumped on the bandwagon.
Maybe those who have an interest should be praying for the restoration of these family relationships, and for those who have done wrong to repent and be reconciled to one another.
I can say that I found one funny thing in my exploration of this issue (which, otherwise, was fairly depressing) - there is someone out there creating a Gosslins vs. Duggars "Wife Swap" satire using pictures snapped from The Sims. It's pretty hysterical. The Kate character wants to take all the "Duggar" girls shopping and wonders if Tater Tot casserole could be organic. And all the "Duggar" kids are named with the same letter first names, in fact the girls have Mary as their first name.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 5:03:21 PM
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Maybe those who have an interest should be praying for the restoration of these family relationships, and for those who have done wrong to repent and be reconciled to one another.
That is what I suggested.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 5:15:24 PM
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For the love of Pete, people are talking about a blog and a TV show - things put out for public consumption. None of you know these people, the only way you do know them is by what they have chosen to make public for people to see.
There is no issue of gossip here. There is no biblical admonition against talking about a TV show you do not watch.
Personally, I have some misgivings about people who take fertility drugs and produce these large litters..which often causes at least one or two of the babies to have health issues..when there are SO many children out there who need to be adopted.
Human beings don't have 'litters'. That's reserved for critters of the four legged kind. Whether you 'agree' or disagree with a families decision to have multiple children those babies, created by God for a purpose should not be denegrated in that way.
Oh, good grief, that was merely my tongue in cheek way of pointing out that humans normally have one baby at a time (and some occasions two, and even rarer occasions 3, 4, or 5), and animals often have 6 or 7 at a time, and so when humans take fertility drugs, they sometimes up the amount of babies they have at any one time to the amount an animal normally has in a litter. "Kids" are technically baby goats, and people call children kids all the time.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 5:25:51 PM
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I can say that I found one funny thing in my exploration of this issue (which, otherwise, was fairly depressing) - there is someone out there creating a Gosslins vs. Duggars "Wife Swap" satire using pictures snapped from The Sims. It's pretty hysterical. The Kate character wants to take all the "Duggar" girls shopping and wonders if Tater Tot casserole could be organic. And all the "Duggar" kids are named with the same letter first names, in fact the girls have Mary as their first name.
Now that is funny!
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 6:10:55 PM
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No one thinks its gossip to talk about what they saw on Survivor or Fear Factor. I don't think discussing these reality shows is any different.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 6:14:34 PM
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I would venture to say that to discuss the actions of the episode is not gossip. To discuss the motives, hows, whys, and pass judgment down on the family would be gossip.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 6:21:15 PM
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I don't really want to take this thread off topic, but I think it's definately something worth discussing. I've started a thread in Morality and Ethics about celebrity gossip instead. Celebrity Gossip thread
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 6:38:34 PM
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I would venture to say that to discuss the actions of the episode is not gossip. To discuss the motives, hows, whys, and pass judgment down on the family would be gossip.
True, I agree with that 100%, but that lady's blog ONLY addresses what is seen in the episodes. It is only rebuttals to things said about Aunt Jody ON THE SHOW.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 6:52:49 PM
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It's public knowledge. So, no.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 9:55:35 PM
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Maybe I haven't seen the right episodes but I haven't seen Aunt Jodi treated poorly. Actually, I have always seen her as the wonderful aunt that helped and the kids LOVE being with. She seemed a lot like my sister; while as I have already said Kate is more like me: a bit uptight and obsessive about things.
As far as how Kate treats Jon I have seen many episodes where their love for each other and their kids is so obvious.
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And for the twins, because they seem to fall by the wayside more than not.
This happens on occasion in EVERY family, I am one of 5 and still fall by the wayside because of the needs of my siblings.
Personally, I have some misgivings about people who take fertility drugs and produce these large litters..which often causes at least one or two of the babies to have health issues..when there are SO many children out there who need to be adopted.
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Personally, I have some misgivings about people who take fertility drugs and produce these large litters..which often causes at least one or two of the babies to have health issues..when there are SO many children out there who need to be adopted.
First other than eye issues I do not think any of the Gosselin children have health issues.
Second, even families who do not take fertility drugs have children with health issues. I had one.
Third, why is it only people who cannot concieve are expected to adopt those many children waiting to be adopted? Do you also question people who, llike my sister, has six kids because she wanted a boy and it took her 5 tries to get one. Should they have just adopted a boy?
Forth, have you adopted one of those many children who need a home? I tried but because my daughter drowned, no one in a position at DCF that could sign our approval would sign off on my paperwork. We were shuffled from desk to desk for 6 months while we had a baby girl in our home waiting to become ours. Finally, the case worker told us that we were never going to be licensed therefore we would never be able to adopt her because no one wanted to put their signature on our paperwork even though Malena death was ruled an "unfortunate" accident by the sheriff and DCF. Within 3 months of leaving our home she was adopted by the new family. 
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 9:59:52 PM
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First other than eye issues I do not think any of the Gosselin children have health issues.
I know, I was thinking of the McCaugheys when I said that. Two of theirs have Cerebal Palsy.
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Second, even families who do not take fertility drugs have children with health issues. I had one.
Considering that I have a severely disabled sister, and my parents never took fertility drugs, I think I know that. However, fertility drugs increase the risk.
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Third, why is it only people who cannot concieve are expected to adopt those many children waiting to be adopted? Do you also question people who, llike my sister, has six kids because she wanted a boy and it took her 5 tries to get one. Should they have just adopted a boy?
Actually, yes, I question people like your sister, and yes, IMO, I think she should have just adopted a boy. People are entitled to have as many bio kids as they want, but I don't like it when people get pregnant just to try for the other kind. I have said for years that if a couple really has their heart set on a certain sex, they should just adopt. What if your sister had had 11 girls while continuing to try for a boy? Do you think those girls would feel good knowing they just existed because a certain thing was hoped for, and they didn't match to that thing?
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Forth, have you adopted one of those many children who need a home?
Not yet, but if you research through these forums, you will see many posts sharing how that is one of my greatest desires to that. I am 36, and unmarried, and so I'm still giving myself a couple of years to see if I finally do marry. If I do marry, I want to adopt a kid or two or three with my husband, because I have always wanted to adopt anyway, and due to my age and to many medical issues I have, I would be a VERY high risk pregnancy. If I hit my early 40's and am still single, then I want to adopt one chid on my own, if I can afford it by then, I can't right now. Thankfully, I have seen ads for agencies with no limits on age or marital status.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 10:37:32 PM
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(((coolfamily))) That is so tragic. I'm sorry.
You can't always choose gender in adoptions either. The program we're in does not allow it.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 10:41:11 PM
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Well, I am familiar with some agencies that do allow it. A person/couple just has to find the program that matches their needs/wants. Either way, I still don't think it's right to have a bio. child JUST to try for a boy or a girl. I am not saying I would insist on finding an agency that allowed that, I'm just saying that they are out there, and I know this because I've been close enough to some situations to find this out.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 10:49:09 PM
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That is horrible! I will remember you in my prayers.
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(((coolfamily))) That is so tragic. I'm sorry.
Thank you. It has been 4 years (since the failed adoption) 8 since Malena died but it still hurts. The Lord blessed us with 4 biological children we always wanted to adopt at least one. The baby now a little girl is with a lovely Christian couple and I know she is happy but sometimes my heart just misses her. She came to us when she was just 8 weeks old.
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Either way, I still don't think it's right to have a bio. child JUST to try for a boy or a girl.
I think that as long as you can love and care for the child regardless of the sex it is no ones business but your own how and why you choose to grow your family.
My sister adores all six of her kids regardless of their gender. Actually, if I had to say she had a favorite it would be one of the girls. Go figure.
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RE: John and Kate ~ family troubles - 10/6/2008 10:55:54 PM
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I think that as long as you can love and care for the child regardless of the sex it is no ones business but your own how and why you choose to grow your family.
I wouldn't have brought it up, but you asked. I only have that belief in principle. I don't go around barking that to individual people or couples. And I have known people that have actually admitted to me NOT loving the child because it wasn't the gender they had hoped for, and that is sad.
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