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the refiner's fire - 7/18/2008 10:20:37 AM
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drussell52
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Hi.. Since we know the wages of sin is death and the gift of God is eternal life, I think most of us who call ourselves believers would choose the gift of God. Yet we struggle with sin and some of us specific sins perhaps day in and day out. Some assert by nature we are sinful and unclean, and wonder how does that work with being a new creation in the Savior? Can one make specific sins their enemy if you will, or, are we truly reliant on God's mercy for those sins to become something we no longer practice. The addicts anonymous claim we are powerless over.... and only a power greater than ourself can restore to sanity.. The church at large doesn't grasp this or state this like they do. There is no more condemnation to those who are in the Savior, but what about the existance of the sin nature? Most times, I want to be Spiritually sanctified but have moments when immediately gratified wins out. Please help if you would!
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RE: the refiner's fire - 7/19/2008 11:14:27 AM
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drussell52
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Well I was hoping to hear some feedback from anyone here but found it in today's devotion, The Voice Of The Lord that can be read elsewhere on the world-wide web. I often- feel like fellowship comes in books, quiet contemplation, and that interaction with other believers is fleeting..
Wish life were different but it isn't.. Enjoy your cozy little Christian circle, and thanks for nothing..
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RE: the refiner's fire - 7/19/2008 12:04:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: drussell52
...Some assert by nature we are sinful and unclean, and wonder how does that work with being a new creation in the Savior? Can one make specific sins their enemy if you will, or, are we truly reliant on God's mercy for those sins to become something we no longer practice.
I think it is absolutely true that the power of the sin nature is broken in a man when he believes. The problem is the will of the man is not yet broken. Of all the sins I've struggled with I could sense that I was not in the power of that sin except to the extent that I wanted to entertain it. As a christian, sin never made me do anything I didn't want to do somewhere deep down inside. My will was the weak link that ultimately caused failure, not the overwhelming power of the sin nature that I used to be in bondage to.
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The addicts anonymous claim we are powerless over.... and only a power greater than ourself can restore to sanity.. The church at large doesn't grasp this or state this like they do.
I'm convinced only our leaders who are well aquainted with struggling with sin and experiening the grace of God through that struggle teach effectively on this subject. But so many leaders we raise up for ourselves today have not even been tested. And this lack of testing gives them the false impression that they are victorious over sin and can teach others how to be also. And that always comes across in a 'don't do that!' type of sermon (I'm talking about discipleship, not evangelism).
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ORIGINAL: drussell52
There is no more condemnation to those who are in the Savior, but what about the existance of the sin nature? Most times, I want to be Spiritually sanctified but have moments when immediately gratified wins out. Please help if you would!
The secret for me has been being very honest with myself and seeing it's my own desire to rely on sin as a way to satisfy my needs that gets me in trouble. Not the circumstances around me. It seems the humility it takes to give up one's entitlement to sin (fits of rage, lust, greed, whatever...) to fix our situations and satisfy unmet needs in our lives opens the door to real confession and brokenness that ushers in the grace of God.
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"For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men." (Romans 14:17,18)
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RE: the refiner's fire - 7/19/2008 5:32:04 PM
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Just as the wicked man, who has not yet realized and accepted the gift of Holy salvation, will sometimes do good deeds, which are clearly against his nature, so the saved man, made righteous by the blood of Christ, sometimes falls and does evil, though it is against his nature to do so as well.
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“Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.” – Philippians 4:8
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